But I thought I was the center of the universe!

Word to the wise: if you have a remarkably unaccepted scientific theory, and some lay person asks some innocent questions to try to understand your idea: BE NICE TO THEM. Even if they tell you they’re skeptical. BE NICE TO THEM. Getting defensive is no way to recruit followers. Especially smart ones.

So there was a video series on YouTube last month about geocentricity, which can vary in belief, but this particular presenter states that the sun revolves around the Earth (as opposed to the whole universe going around the Earth, as some geocentrists claim). I’m embedding them here, but it’s really a bunch of convoluted language surrounding one famous (Michelson-Morley) and three “hidden” experiments, made to sound like these experiments prove that the cosmology and astronomy we understand today are completely wrong.

The presenter (Malcolm Bowden) makes it sound like he believes (and he probably does, but who can know for sure?) that the only reason his model isn’t widely accepted is because it would be a colossal restructuring (thus inconvenience) of everything we know about space. I don’t think he understands the psychology of scientists – the idea of something that monumental would have inquisitive minds clamoring to be in on the ground floor, if the hypothesis was sound, and made predictions that didn’t contradict science that has been consistently supported by observation and evidence (like Einstein’s Theories of Relativity).

Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:

I posted comments asking the following questions, which are not all of the questions that popped into my head, but I figured would make a good starting point:

So many questions, so few characters available… I am open to new ideas, but of course this challenges every understanding I have of the cosmos, and this extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, which has not been fully provided in this series. How do you explain the following:

1) Why are we able to move through the ‘ether’ (which also requires more compelling evidence), but celestial bodies cannot?

2) What is the source of this density?

3) What would the geocentric ‘solar system’ look like? If all the system’s bodies orbit the earth, wouldn’t the sun’s orbit at some point demolish planets with orbits near it?

4) How do you account for astronomical calculations that are correct using the currently accepted model? For example, we can predict how and when Mars, Venus or even the moon will be visible because of its illumination by the sun at a particular angle to earth.

5) If the celestial bodies are truly analogous to corks in water, how can you account for their predictable and stable paths, unlike corks in water?

6) Does this model suggest that the earth’s gravity is truly substantial enough to affect every celestial body so that they all orbit this planet? It seems to me that, if this were the case, the earth would not be able to support its own pressures.

I must admit, I *strongly* disagree with your claims, but am open to further evidence.

Here are the responses received (my comments in [brackets and italics]:

some answers from MB [Malcolm Bowden]
1. The planets DO move through the ather. They circle the sun on paths determined by the Mechanic laws of the universe. [Hmmm. Okay, it was three weeks ago, maybe I misunderstood something in the video. I can’t bring myself to sit through the videos to figure out what I was referencing. If you watch them and catch a part that might explain my question, please let me know…]
2. The simplest way is to imagine an orrery (mechanical system of the planets) with the sun at the centre. BUT then you pick it up holding the earth, and the whole system rotates around the earth – BUT THEY MAINTAIN THE SAME MOVEMENTS AND RELATIONSHIPS AS BEFORE. So nothing between them changes. THIS should answer most of our questions. [Yeah, I’m no physicist, not by a long shot, but I would imagine that this would still create a solar system that does different things and appears different from our vantage point. Somebody’s going to have to paint me a picture to demonstrate how everything stays the same in both models… Oh, and no, that doesn’t even come close to answering questions 2, 5 or 6]

Answer to (6). It is not the earth’s gravity that holds the plants together. They circle the Sun BUT the sun circles the earth. It is the aether that controls the movements of the planets around the earth. [In that case, wouldn’t the Earth at some point collide with or gravitationally affect some other body differently? Maybe I’ll get it when someone draws that picture].
You say “open to further evidence” I have provided four experiments (3 kept secret) what more do you want? They were carried out by secular scientists who did NOT accept geocentricity!

Well, I would have thought it was clear, but I’d like clear, compelling answers to my questions, instead of a bunch of gobbledy-gook manipulating the outcomes of various experiments to support your claims. I was actually trying to be sincere and offer an opportunity to explore this further, despite my extreme skepticism, because I believe in an exchange of ideas, and wanted to hear an intelligent and well-thought-out response. I don’t think I got that. I was open about where I was coming from, but sincere in wanting to hear more that would support his claims and solidly refute contradictory evidence.

The response, my friends, is what can be called a “red flag.” If there was more compelling evidence than it just does, and why won’t you just accept it, then you can bet it would have been in the reply.

So until I hear something more compelling, geocentricity is simply the attempt to resolve the cognitive dissonance brought about by the insignificance of Earth and her inhabitants compared to the desire for us all to matter to the imaginary man in the sky.

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3 Comments

  1. Tony Arch said,

    February 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Malcolm Bowden is a crank, why bother giving him any credit, let him preach to the converted to his heart’s content.
    When it comes to psychology, M Bowden is a very dangerous man.

  2. John Rowsell said,

    August 20, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    I’m not sure that the experiments Bowden talks about are kept secret. Some preliminary searches on the internet suggests they are not. If they are not then Bowden is not telling the truth.
    It is strange that the astronomical system he prefers has a pagan source concerned with astrology, something any “good Christian” should not associate his or herself with, whilst Copernicus (a priest), Kepler, Galileo, Newton and Einstein came from the “Judeo-Christian” tradition.

  3. Jon said,

    May 26, 2011 at 4:55 am

    There are a very large number of Physicists who do not share or agree with the currently held so-called MS “scientific” theories of the day, you make it sound as if science reached the end of the road and we “know” everything that needed to be known. In the past many held theories which were thought to be ‘true’ ultimately were thrown in to a trash bin.

    Furthermore, the main stream “science” is dominated by narrow personal interests more than searching for the truth, and that is a major factor should be considered, but unfortunately is being ignored, plus the fact that many skeptical scientists are being literally gagged or smeared, the astronomer Halto Arp is very good example.

    How many layman knows that the Big Bang theory is in deep trouble? Very few, may be only those who usually have some knowledge in cosmology. It has been over 30 years and cosmology still going in circle; no major breakthrough, not even ‘real’ evidence in which it would support the real cranks of the age; the big bangers.


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